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Further delay to UC rollout .... and other changes
Ministers have bowed to pressure and are planning to further delay the rollout of flagship welfare reform Universal Credit.
... Leaked documents seen by the BBC reveal plans to spend hundreds of millions of pounds to prevent claimants suffering hardship as they move onto it.
Highlights:
- initial testing has been pushed back to next summer, and large-scale movement won’t begin until November 2020 at the earliest.
- now not expected to be fully operational until December 2023.
- plans have been drawn up to continue paying income support, employment and support allowance, and job seekers allowance for two weeks after a claim for universal credit has been made.
- the maximum amount that can be deducted in respect of an advance payment will be reduced from 40% to 30% of their total award each month.
- more help is set to be given to the self-employed
But the documents seen by the BBC also make clear that these concessions might not actually be achievable.
An extract says: “We can currently offer no assurance that ultimately these proposals will prove to be deliverable, can survive legal challenges where they can be delivered, and do not invite new political criticism by generating new policy issues.”
Yes heard this as well, but its about as clear as snorkelling in mushroom soup. What is meant by initial testing and does this refer to migration or rollout ?
Is there anything formal from DWP ?
Yes heard this as well, but its about as clear as snorkelling in mushroom soup. What is meant by initial testing and does this refer to migration or rollout ?...
Rollout completes 12th December this year so they’ve got to be talking about managed migration.
Still lots and lots of unanswered questions…
Presumably the SSAC report is about to be published?
Certainly what Esther Mcvey told the Commons yesterday related to managed migration:
“…. it will be a slow and measured roll-out. It won’t be starting in January 2019, it will be later on in the year and then for a further year with a small amount of people, maybe 10,000 people, we will be learning as we go to make sure it is right. And then it will increase in the roll-out from 2020 onwards …”
Now the 17th delay in total. A two year further delay announced in a year. Will this ever happen? Just 10 thousand migration cases next year and two years until any volume of cases and even that is at earliest it seems. Someone predicted a couple of years ago that UC would just get pushed back and back until everyone responsible had died or retired and then it would be abandoned
[ Edited: 16 Oct 2018 at 10:29 am by hbinfopeter ]“…. it will be a slow and measured roll-out. It won’t be starting in January 2019, it will be later on in the year and then for a further year with a small amount of people, maybe 10,000 people, we will be learning as we go to make sure it is right. And then it will increase in the roll-out from 2020 onwards …”
All the political will has gone. its going to be a couple of years of drift…....
On Time/On Budget was the old catch phrase.
‘Learning as we go’. Oh for crying out loud! How long have you had? How long will it take? When will you LISTEN???? I’m currently out of action, reading in bed about Franz Kafka. Yet again, to mention him is most apposite.
PS; What kind of people are these? Do they ever think, or do they only shuffle pointlessly over the earth?’
‘Learning as we go’. Oh for crying out loud! How long have you had? How long will it take? When will you LISTEN???? I’m currently out of action, reading in bed about Franz Kafka. Yet again, to mention him is most apposite.
Check out Dadaism too and get better soon!
Are these proposals yet another sticking plaster or another wheel falling off the wagon (how many wheels has it got that it can shed so many)?
Remember the slow and lingering death of the CSA and how long it took successive governments to put it out of its misery? But this time around they don’t have the option to simply (almost) abandon the policy!
Bring back Supp Ben - will fit nicely with the nostalgia for our glorious past to be revived post Brexit!
Got any questions for Neil? He’s coming to GMWRAG on Friday 😊
First half hour is him talking about what’s going well with UC.
I’ll leave it there 😊
‘Learning as we go’. Oh for crying out loud! How long have you had? How long will it take? When will you LISTEN???? I’m currently out of action, reading in bed about Franz Kafka. Yet again, to mention him is most apposite.
Am I the only one who sees “Test and Learn” and thinks “fire-fighting”?
Got any questions for Neil? He’s coming to GMWRAG on Friday :)
First half hour is him talking about what’s going well with UC.
I’ll leave it there :)
Half an hour? “What’s going well with UC” should take about 10 seconds. Plenty of time for biscuits, then?
Got any questions for Neil? He’s coming to GMWRAG on Friday :)
First half hour is him talking about what’s going well with UC.
I’ll leave it there :)
Half an hour? “What’s going well with UC” should take about 10 seconds. Plenty of time for biscuits, then?
It is working well - as a grade 1 example of why politicians should never ever be allowed to make major policy decisions (its all a secret senior civil service plot)?
Seriously Mike/GMWRAG:
It would be interesting to get Neil’s view on the ‘simplification’ UC represents as set out be Gareth https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/13531/ and how they might address that issue to always make work pay, help clients predict what their UC will be month to month, avoid having to reclaim if income exceeds in a particular assessment period etc!
Also on what legal basis the DWP argue the recovery rate of advance payments could be reduced from 40% to 30% when SS(OP)Reg 11(2)(c) only allows recovery at a max of 15% anyway and why have the DWP been ignoring the Regs and recovering at up to 40% in some cases to date.
Oh and some clarity on alternative claim methods, when DWP will clarify how and when etc, home visits, vulnerable claimants, safeguarding, reasonable adjustments etc.
and then if there is any time left ........