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sallygay
                              

Disabilty Rights Worker, Hillsborough & Area Advice Service, Sheffield
Member since
12th Jun 2008

ESA, permitted work and HB
Sat 14-Jun-08 06:16 AM

Could anyone clarify? Under ESA Regs, earnings for permitted work are disregarded for income related ESA up to the Upper Limit of 88.50. So, claimants on income related ESA will still be passported to full HB. But what about claimants of contribution based ESA who are getting some HB? will the permitted work earnings still be disregarded in full?

I can't find this in the amended HB Regs. Any pointers gratefully received.

Many thanks.

  

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Replies to this topic
RE: ESA, permitted work and HB, Paul_Treloar_, 16th Jun 2008, #1
RE: ESA, permitted work and HB, Debbie Witton, 01st Jul 2008, #2
      RE: ESA, permitted work and HB, Paul_Treloar_, 03rd Jul 2008, #3
           RE: ESA, permitted work and HB, Damian, 09th Jul 2008, #4
                RE: ESA, permitted work and HB, Paul_Treloar_, 09th Jul 2008, #5
                     RE: ESA, permitted work and HB, Steve Johnson, 12th Jul 2008, #6

Paul_Treloar_
                              

Director of Policy and Services, Disability Alliance, London
Member since
15th Sep 2006

RE: ESA, permitted work and HB
Mon 16-Jun-08 09:29 AM

As far as we know, anyone claiming contributory ESA who is undertaking permitted work and also claiming HB/CTB will have their earnings taken into account as usual, subject to the standard disregard i.e. £20. Along with colleagues in Disability Benefits Consortium, we have lobbied government on this issue, so far with little success unfortunately.

  

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Debbie Witton
                              

Senior Welfare Rights Officer, Salford Welfare Rights Service
Member since
02nd Feb 2004

RE: ESA, permitted work and HB
Tue 01-Jul-08 02:34 PM

Income-related ESA claimants doing supported permitted work or permitted work (LCWRA) can do so for an unlimited period. But I'm not clear from the regs whether earnings of up to £88.50 will not affect IRESA for an unlimited period or for a limited 52 week period.
Can anyone clarify for me?

  

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Paul_Treloar_
                              

Director of Policy and Services, Disability Alliance, London
Member since
15th Sep 2006

RE: ESA, permitted work and HB
Thu 03-Jul-08 09:47 AM

Thu 03-Jul-08 09:47 AM by Paul_Treloar_

52 weeks is the limit for standard permitted work, up to 16 hours and up to £88.50 p/w i.e. for people in WRA group, where the work isn't classed as supported. ESA Regs, reg 45(2)-(4)

  

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Damian
                              

WRO(Health), Salford WRS
Member since
23rd May 2005

RE: ESA, permitted work and HB
Wed 09-Jul-08 08:47 AM

Debbie was refering to the support group 'LCWRA' is the one of the fantastic new acronyms we get from ESA. They are not covered by any of the restrictions in reg 45(4) (a), they can come under sub para (b) which has none of the restrictions to 52 weeks, on previous work done etc. Looks like the support group gets cut a lot more slack.

  

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Paul_Treloar_
                              

Director of Policy and Services, Disability Alliance, London
Member since
15th Sep 2006

RE: ESA, permitted work and HB
Wed 09-Jul-08 09:43 AM

That will be why she said "Income-related ESA claimants doing supported permitted work or permitted work (LCWRA) can do so for an unlimited period."

Don't really understand the question in that case.

  

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Steve Johnson
                              

Manager, Walthamstow CAB
Member since
24th Oct 2005

RE: ESA, permitted work and HB
Sat 12-Jul-08 01:38 PM

Colleagues, have another look at the 46 paths to happiness to enter the Support Group, and then at the exempted groups who will qualify as having LCRWA. How many of these will be able to work at all? Its fairly easy for the legislators to be indefinitely generous with the permitted work rules, when the Support Group audience will only be around 5% of the new client load, and by definition less able to work anyway. But maybe I should be more grateful!

  

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