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franrobinson
                              

Training and Research Officer, Lancashire County Council Welfare Rights Service
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

Can anyone help?
Thu 17-Mar-05 12:01 PM

We are looking for copies of the following two DLA Commissioners Decisions: CDLA/4329/1999 and CDLA/948/2001. The OSSC don't seem to be able to trace them either. Can you help?

  

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RE: Can anyone help?, Lin, 18th Mar 2005, #1
RE: Can anyone help?, Gareth Morgan, 18th Mar 2005, #2
      RE: Can anyone help?, shawn, 18th Mar 2005, #3
           RE: Can anyone help?, franrobinson, 18th Mar 2005, #4
                RE: Can anyone help?, Gareth Morgan, 18th Mar 2005, #5
                RE: Can anyone help?, Lin, 18th Mar 2005, #6
                     RE: Can anyone help?, stainsby, 04th Apr 2005, #7
RE: Can anyone help?, Dan_manville, 15th Apr 2005, #8

Lin
                              

Welfare Benefits Service Co-ordinator, National Deaf Children's Society
Member since
02nd Sep 2004

RE: Can anyone help?
Fri 18-Mar-05 08:51 AM

are you sure you have the numbering right? I have looked in Derbyshire DLA & AA caselaw pack to no avail.

  

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Gareth Morgan
                              

Managing Director, Ferret Information Systems, Cardiff
Member since
20th Feb 2004

RE: Can anyone help?
Fri 18-Mar-05 08:58 AM

They're not in our CD-Rom either but the numbers are in the range of CDs for the years.

  

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shawn
                              

Charter member

RE: Can anyone help?
Fri 18-Mar-05 09:09 AM

where are the references from / what are they about?

  

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franrobinson
                              

Training and Research Officer, Lancashire County Council Welfare Rights Service
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Can anyone help?
Fri 18-Mar-05 12:22 PM

The references were mainly taken from the notes to the DLA section in CPAG's 'Welfare Benefits and Tax Credits Handbook'. CDLA/4329/1999 concerns the higher rate MC and ME and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and physical disablement. CDLA/948/2001 concerns the higher rate MC and pain being accepted as having a physical disability regardless of what causes it. We have noticed that some of the references to case law decisions in the handbook are wrong and hope that this is not the case here. Thanks for looking.

  

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Gareth Morgan
                              

Managing Director, Ferret Information Systems, Cardiff
Member since
20th Feb 2004

RE: Can anyone help?
Fri 18-Mar-05 12:37 PM

Right, with those clues a search of our CD-Rom reveals a few possibilities of juggling numbers and dates.:

CDLA/4329/2001

"6. I have, nevertheless, come to the conclusion that the decision of the tribunal was erroneous in point of law. Although the tribunal clearly regarded the claimant’s evidence as exaggerated, they did not make any explicit finding with regard to her actual walking ability. The tribunal also dealt with the need for the claimant to show that she was physically disabled in order to establish entitlement to higher rate mobility component, but I do not agree that it was necessary for her to show that chronic fatigue syndrome was either caused by or resulted in some other physical disablement. A diagnosis of chronic fatigue syndrome is made on the basis of the existence of symptoms which cannot be explained by other causes, and it is for that reason that a physical explanation for inability to walk is actually inconsistent with the existence of the condition."

CSDLA/849/2001

"43. Moreover, provided a physical disablement is a material cause of the claimant’s difficulty in walking, whether alone or in combination with other factors, it is irrelevant if the ultimate cause is mental disablement. In CDLA/16484/1986, the Commissioner was considering chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). There is considerable medical controversy about the aetiology and progress of CFS. It is usually considered to commence with a viral infection but there is dispute about any objectively verifiable clinical abnormalities after recovery from such infection. The Commissioner held that what matters is the nature of the disablement which results from a particular claimant’s CFS at the relevant time. Even if the ultimate origin of the CFS was physical, but during the period in issue when the viral infection has cleared it is low mood rather than any current physical disablement which causes reduced walking, then a claimant does not qualify for higher mobility. Conversely, if depression means that a claimant takes no exercise, as a consequence of which there is muscle wasting and loss of muscle power which now restrict ability to walk, then the walking may be classified as limited by physical disablement. If the claimant’s walking restrictions arise from a mixture of mental and physical factors, then the tribunal will have to determine whether a current operative material cause of those restrictions is a physical disablement such that the statutory tests are satisfied."

more probably

CDLA/948/2000
"9. The claimant has been found to suffer physical pain not because of any apparent physical problem but because of some unspecified psychological cause. This gives rise to two issues -whether the pain itself is physical disablement and whether the psychological cause is mental disablement. If either question is answered in the affirmative then the tribunal should have gone on to consider whether the pain or the psychological cause was so severe that the care component or lower rate mobility conditions were satisfied. If the pain was held to be physical disablement, but not otherwise, then (subject to a point to which I shall return as to the effect of the wording of regulation 12 of the Social Security (Disability Living Allowance) Regulations 1991 as amended) the tribunal should have gone on to consider whether the higher rate mobility conditions were satisfied."

  

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Lin
                              

Welfare Benefits Service Co-ordinator, National Deaf Children's Society
Member since
02nd Sep 2004

RE: Can anyone help?
Fri 18-Mar-05 12:37 PM

Trying again pressed send by mistajke. checked Derbyshire rights and found thisnder Chronic Fatique syndrome CDLA 4329 2001
you might want to look at these cdla 2822 1999, cdla 5463 1999, CDLA 4486 2000,

  

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stainsby
                              

Welfare Benefits Officer, Gallions Housing Association, Thamesmead SE London
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Can anyone help?
Mon 04-Apr-05 12:08 PM

If its CFS that you are interested in see the earlier thread on rightsnet

http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=100&topic_id=1097&mesg_id=1097&page=2

  

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Dan_manville
                              

Caseworker, Birmingham Tribunal Unit
Member since
08th Jun 2004

RE: Can anyone help?
Fri 15-Apr-05 07:43 PM

Fran, if CDLA/948/01's what i think it is i.e Commissioner Mark debating psychosomatic pain, then we've got a copy down here in Brum. I'm at home at the minute, but if you'not not tracked it down by the time you've spotted this post, mail me and I'll fax it up. If you can't mail via the link then Ash should still have my address.

The smilies are off but the spirit's here!

  

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