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Martin_Williams
                              

Appeals Representative, London Advice Services Alliance- london
Member since
21st Jan 2004

High Court Decisions and the Commissioners
Tue 06-Feb-07 04:14 PM

Anyone know whether a Commissioner is bound by a decision of the High Court?

  

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RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners, ariadne, 06th Feb 2007, #1
RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners, keith venables, 07th Feb 2007, #2
      RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners, claire hodgson, 14th Feb 2007, #3
      RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners, steve_h, 14th Feb 2007, #4
           RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners, ariadne, 14th Feb 2007, #5
                RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners, HBSpecialists, 15th Feb 2007, #6

ariadne
                              

CAB adviser, welfare lawyer and ex law lecturer, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
26th Jan 2007

RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners
Tue 06-Feb-07 07:23 PM

According to CPAG page 1199, yes he is, soemtimes anyway. They quote some case law on it. This makes sense because a Commissioner has roughly the status of a Circuit judge (ie county court) and the High Court is higher. In ordinary civil law the High Court is the lowest court whose decisions are binding on other courts.

We are presumably talking about judicial review proceedings as the High Court doesn't get involved in the normal hierarchy of beenfit appeals, which goes straight to the Court of Appeal from Commissioners (like county courts).

It is however important to understand just what the doctrine of precedent implies. The High Court decision needs to have been in the context of of an issue in benefit law actually in dispute in the case. A High Court decision on say beneficial ownership of property in a capital case is probably going to be binding as to the issue of owenrship only, but not on any other benefit-related issues like valuation, deprivation and so on because these are not the sort of thing the High Court has anything to do with.

Sorry this is all a bit vague but without the facts the question is unanswerable at a really simple level (this sort of thing is what lawyers are for and why it takws so long to train them!)

  

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keith venables
                              

welfare rights caseworker, leicester law centre
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners
Wed 07-Feb-07 08:01 AM

Also see the notes to S14 SSA1998 on page 238 of Vol 3 of the Legislation.

Commissioners are bound by High Court on JR of a Commissioners decision (presumably on things like whether to grant leave, otherwise it would go to CofA) but is not strictly bound in other cases. Would usually follow High Court, may depart from a decision of a single High Court judge, but should follow divisional courts. Tribunals of Commissioners may depart from divisional courts.

I think that at the training Commissioners Bano and Levenson ran for LAG a couple of years ago, one of them said that Commissioners were intended to have the same status as a High Court Judge.

  

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claire hodgson
                              

Solicitor, Askews Solicitors, Thornaby, Stockton on Tees
Member since
17th May 2005

RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners
Wed 14-Feb-07 07:32 AM

martin,if you tell us what the issue is etc. we might be able to tell you, or at least give you an indication, as to which court rules in your particular scenario...

  

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steve_h
                              

Welfare Rights Caseworker, Advocacy in Wirral, Birkenhead, Wirral
Member since
06th Mar 2006

RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners
Wed 14-Feb-07 10:31 AM

I though Commissioners have the same status as a district judge

  

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ariadne
                              

CAB adviser, welfare lawyer and ex law lecturer, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
26th Jan 2007

RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners
Wed 14-Feb-07 03:05 PM

I just googled it and they are paid the same as a circuit judge.

  

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HBSpecialists
                              

Independent Housing Benefit Trainer/Appeals & Pres, HBSpecialists London
Member since
23rd Apr 2004

RE: High Court Decisions and the Commissioners
Thu 15-Feb-07 10:45 AM

It might be worth you having a look at R(IS) 15/99 which was upheld in the CoA and states:

"19. I have come to the conclusion that decisions on substantive points of social security law made by the High Court in exercise of its supervisory jurisdiction are all to be regarded as being made in a jurisdiction co-ordinate with that of Commissioners and that I should take the same approach to them as would a single judge of the High Court. I consider that I am not bound to follow a decision of a single High Court judge but should do so unless convinced that it is wrong. I should take the same approach to a decision of a judge of the Outer House of the Court of Session. On the other hand, like a judge of the High Court, I would regard myself as bound by a decision of a divisional court (other than, perhaps, in the special circumstances identified in R(SB) 52/83) for much the same reasons that I am bound by a decision of a Tribunal of Commissioners. <...>. Furthermore, I take R(SB) 52/83 as authority for the proposition that a Tribunal of Commissioners would not regard themselves as bound by a decision of a divisional court, in which case a Commissioner in Scotland, faced by what he regarded as an unsatisfactory decision of a divisional court, could take the action that it was suggested in R(U) 4/88 should be taken when a Commissioner is faced with an apparently unsatisfactory decision of a Tribunal of Commissioners and refer the case to the Chief Commissioner so that it might be considered by another Tribunal of Commissioners".

Further CD's on the standing of Commissioners and the more formal constitutional courts can be found on the OSSCSC website at:

http://www.osscsc.gov.uk/practice_procedure/judicial_standing.htm

  

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