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rwils
                              

Welfare Rights Officer, Newcastle Welfare Rights Service
Member since
12th Oct 2004

new Job Grant
Tue 12-Oct-04 09:00 AM

Looking for the Statutory Instrument with the rules for the new Job Grant from 25 October - have found the one which amends the Back to Work bonus and Lone Parent Run On, but can't find the actual Job Grant one

  

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Replies to this topic
RE: new Job Grant, shawn, 12th Oct 2004, #1
RE: new Job Grant, Neil Bateman, 13th Oct 2004, #2
      RE: new Job Grant, chrisduran, 22nd Oct 2004, #3
           RE: new Job Grant, Neil Bateman, 22nd Oct 2004, #4
                RE: Dichotomy, Gareth Morgan, 22nd Oct 2004, #5
                     RE: Dichotomy, shawn, 11th Nov 2004, #6

shawn
                              

Charter member

RE: new Job Grant
Tue 12-Oct-04 10:45 AM

had a scout around and not found any regs yet ...

a possible clue is that in HB circular A30/2004 it says "Job Grants are payable under Section 2 of the Employment and Training Act 1973"

.... anyone else?

  

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Neil Bateman
                              

Welfare rights consultant, www.neilbateman.co.uk
Member since
24th Jan 2004

RE: new Job Grant
Wed 13-Oct-04 10:02 PM

I have a horrible feeling that there are no Regulatiosn about Job Grant - another example of New Labour's unopposed tendency to extend non appealable discretion.

  

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chrisduran
                              

Into-work facilitator, London Borough of Newham, Social Regeneration Unit
Member since
10th Mar 2004

RE: new Job Grant
Fri 22-Oct-04 09:35 AM

Indeed you're right, there is no regulation, the reply I got from the Job Centre plus was as follows.

we are not introducing any new legislation for the Job Grant. It is covered under Section 2 of the Employment & Training Act 1973.


As for the rest it seems to me that if there were no Job Grant, as was the situation prior to them coming in, the right of appeal wouldn't be a problem. It's like Bill Clinton said before he became president "if I get elected I'll make mistakes because I'll actually do something, and that's what makes me different from the current president."

  

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Neil Bateman
                              

Welfare rights consultant, www.neilbateman.co.uk
Member since
24th Jan 2004

RE: new Job Grant
Fri 22-Oct-04 09:55 AM

The problem with lack of appeal rights in social security is that it creates a serious imbalance between the state and individual citizens. With no effective ability to challenge decsions and to hold benefit administrators to account, it is easy for poor practices to develop among benefit administrators.

This is not a mere philosphical point, but one concerend with countering the negative impact of social policy on real people.



  

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Gareth Morgan
                              

Managing Director, Ferret Information Systems, Cardiff
Member since
20th Feb 2004

RE: Dichotomy
Fri 22-Oct-04 11:07 AM

That's also one of the difficulties with the desire to see a system which can relate to individual needs and circumstance. Regulations tend to offer objectivity, duiscretion tends to unfairness and prejudice.

  

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shawn
                              

Charter member

RE: Dichotomy
Thu 11-Nov-04 11:36 AM

more job grant info available in a Jobcentre Plus briefing, now available @

http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/pdfs/Job_Centre_Plus_briefing_Job_Grant.doc

  

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