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BrianSmith
                              

Welfare rights officer, northumberland nhs care trust
Member since
06th Oct 2004

Capital from sale of house
Tue 21-Aug-07 08:11 AM

Client lives alone in large 4 bedroom house following divorce. Financial settlement on divorce has been made so he is sole owner and mortgage is in his name only therefore. He wants to move to a new area to be nearer support. When he sells the house he will be left with approx £300,000 equity. He could probably buy a house in the new area which was adequate for his purposes for say £200,000. If he blows the full £300,000 on a better/bigger house than he needs, will the DWP treat this as deprivation of £100,000 capital?

  

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RE: Capital from sale of house, nevip, 17th Aug 2007, #1
RE: Capital from sale of house, shaun, 17th Aug 2007, #2
      RE: Capital from sale of house, BrianSmith, 17th Aug 2007, #3
           RE: Capital from sale of house, mike shermer, 17th Aug 2007, #4
           RE: Capital from sale of house, shaun, 20th Aug 2007, #5
                RE: Capital from sale of house, ariadne2, 20th Aug 2007, #6

nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Capital from sale of house
Fri 17-Aug-07 09:55 AM

Just a very quick reply for now as I'm off to see a client. It all depends whart his intention is. Would it be a significant operative purpose of the deprivation to become entitled to a means tested benefit or an increase of that benefit?

  

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shaun
                              

finance manager, welfare benefits group, social se, leeds city council
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Capital from sale of house
Fri 17-Aug-07 11:01 AM

Any sum directly attributable to the proceeds of sale ... which is used for the purchase of other premises etc. para 3 scedule 10 (Capital to be Disregarded)IS General Regs. The whole of the proceeds of sale should be disregarded if the whole of the proceeds of sale are used to purchase another home.

If it is disregarded as capital and then the proceeds from the sale are used to buy another home I can't see what it has to do with deprivation of capital. If they were to purchase for £200,000 and spend £100,000 on furnishings, fittings, repairs, adaptions etc. then significant operative purpose should come into play. I would think that the size of the home was irrelevant unless it was an issue of eligible housing costs.

I feel uncertainty as it looks so simple. Confirmation or correction would be welcome.

Shaun

  

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BrianSmith
                              

Welfare rights officer, northumberland nhs care trust
Member since
06th Oct 2004

RE: Capital from sale of house
Fri 17-Aug-07 12:43 PM

Previous info was from the social worker - turns out the client is on PC not IS and I can't see an equivalent disregard on proceeds of sale in Sch 5 of the PC regs. Am I missing something in my haste to get work off my desk by the weekend?

  

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mike shermer
                              

Welfare Benefits Officer, Kings Lynn & West Norfolk Borough Council, Kings l
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Capital from sale of house
Fri 17-Aug-07 02:15 PM



That puts an entirely different complexion on it - The value of a property not being used as the main residence is ignored for up to 6 months if the intention is to sell it and to purchase another, and steps have been taken to place it on the market - ie, registered with an estate agent etc.

additionally - what rate of PC is he on - if guarenteed PC, did the original award letter state whether it was subject to an AIP - if so, I believe that changes of circumstances that occur after the award are ignored until the AIP end date - winning the lottery and the proceeds of selling a property come under that heading ....?





  

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shaun
                              

finance manager, welfare benefits group, social se, leeds city council
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Capital from sale of house
Mon 20-Aug-07 10:58 AM

I also cannot see any equivalent paragraph for disregarding proceeds from sale in PC regs or HB/CTB 60+ regs. Therefore does this mean that the capital would be taken into account, with Mike's exception of an AIP, for PC cases.

Although I find the wording strange in applying it to this case, does para 19 of Sched 5 PC regs have a similar role to play in disregarding proceeds from sale. If this is the case then it is disregarded for a year. There is also an equivalent for HB/CTB 60+.

Shaun

  

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ariadne2
                              

Welfare lawyer and social policy collator, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
13th Mar 2007

RE: Capital from sale of house
Mon 20-Aug-07 02:45 PM

The commentary on paragraph 19 in the Sweet and Maxwell vol 2 suggests that it is intended as parallel to para 3 in Sched 10 of the IS regs - the one that deals with proceeds of sale. Can't see why not meself.

  

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