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mircam
                              

welfare right advisor, mosaic homes housing association, london
Member since
03rd Jun 2005

Rent officer decisions
Wed 13-Aug-08 12:00 PM

Does the local authority have the discretion to ignore a rent officers determination and award HB on the basis of an higher eligible rent ?

  

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Replies to this topic
RE: Rent officer decisions, Kevin D, 13th Aug 2008, #1
RE: Rent officer decisions, jmembery, 13th Aug 2008, #2
      RE: Rent officer decisions, derek_S, 14th Aug 2008, #3
           RE: Rent officer decisions, AndyRichards, 14th Aug 2008, #4
           RE: Rent officer decisions, Kevin D, 14th Aug 2008, #5
                RE: Rent officer decisions, nevip, 14th Aug 2008, #6
                     RE: Rent officer decisions, Kevin D, 14th Aug 2008, #7
                          RE: Rent officer decisions, derek_S, 15th Aug 2008, #8

Kevin D
                              

Freelance HB & CTB Consultant/Trainer, Hertfordshire
Member since
20th Jan 2004

RE: Rent officer decisions
Wed 13-Aug-08 12:07 PM

No. DHP is the only option.

  

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jmembery
                              

Benefits Manager AVDC, Aylesbury Vale DC - Aylusbury bucks
Member since
01st Mar 2004

RE: Rent officer decisions
Wed 13-Aug-08 12:20 PM

Not unless the claim is one for exempt accommodation.

  

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derek_S
                              

Welfare benefit Adviser, Northern Counties Housing Association - South York
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Rent officer decisions
Thu 14-Aug-08 12:37 PM

Working for an RSL, I have only come up against a rent officer refferral once in 10 years - mind you, I did get that overturned.

Housing Association properties are normally exempt. Rent officer referals should be extremely limited - why was this referral made?

  

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AndyRichards
                              

Senior Training Officer, Brighton and Hove City Council, Brighton
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: Rent officer decisions
Thu 14-Aug-08 02:36 PM

It is quite true that LA's don't have to refer HA rents, but if they do I think they are then stuck with the decision just like any other case.

HA rents are only supposed to be referred if the rent is "unreasonably high" or the accommodation is too large. I had always thought RO referrals on HA properties were extremely rare.

  

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Kevin D
                              

Freelance HB & CTB Consultant/Trainer, Hertfordshire
Member since
20th Jan 2004

RE: Rent officer decisions
Thu 14-Aug-08 02:50 PM

I slightly disagree with Andy.

If the rent is "unreasonably high", or the clmt is overaccommodated, LAs are required to refer to the Rent Officer - RSL status doesn't affect this provision. It's notable that this is not a discretionary provision.

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Rent officer decisions
Thu 14-Aug-08 03:35 PM

I agree with others that HB is bound by rent officers' decisions. With regard to referrals themselves, surely the word unreasonably in "unreasonably high" introduces an element of discretion.

There will, of course be rents that are so over-inflated that agreement to refer would be near as can be, unanimous (one thinks of Baragrove type levels) but many more would could equally fall either side of the "unreasonable" line and those judgements would themselves be reasonable.

  

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Kevin D
                              

Freelance HB & CTB Consultant/Trainer, Hertfordshire
Member since
20th Jan 2004

RE: Rent officer decisions
Thu 14-Aug-08 04:22 PM

I don't agree that "unreasonably high" introduces discretion. In my view, it is a purely judgement call. I'm pretty sure there is a CD which made it clear that the words "discretion" and "judgement" are not interchangeable - I'm trying to find it, but without success so far.....(seems my own indexing has gone askew).

By way of analogy, I have never seen backdating as being "discretionary". It is mandatory where the criteria are met - good cause being a matter of judgement, not discretion.

  

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derek_S
                              

Welfare benefit Adviser, Northern Counties Housing Association - South York
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Rent officer decisions
Fri 15-Aug-08 09:49 AM

Since HA rents are regulated anyway the reason for exemption is obvious for the normal run of cases.

I have only had one case where an RO problem cropped up. As said by others this was a case where the referral was because the rent was considered by an assessor as unreasonably high.

The LA - who agreed that this occurred due to inexperience of a new assessor were broadly in agreement with me.

They accepted that they had an obligation to check with the HA BEFORE a RO referral to see if the rent was reasonable due to reasons not apparent in the HB application. Since in my case this communication had not occured and they did accept reasons when given - they were happy to restore the rent as exempt from RO.

Not sure that this was an exercise in discretion - just an agreement of an LA error in procedure and that regulations allowed them to count the rent as exempt.

But the result was that the RO rent figure was overturned.

  

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