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iut044
                              

Advisor, South West Lancashire Independent Community Advice
Member since
15th May 2007

Is it legal for the same first-tier tribunal judge to make the decision to refuse permission to appe...
Fri 27-Mar-09 10:45 AM

Hi

I have a client (who is prominently being dealt with by another agency) whose representative wrote to the first tier over an unsuccessful Incapacity Benefit appeal asking to appeal to the upper chamber over an error of law. This request was refused. The judge making the decision was the same person as whom had sat on the original tribunal. Is this legal?

I am aware that the client has the option of appealing to the upper chamber directly.

Thanks

  

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RE: Is it legal for the same first-tier tribunal judge to make the decision to refuse permission to ..., past caring 2, 27th Mar 2009, #1
RE: Is it legal for the same first-tier tribunal judge to make the decision to refuse permission to ..., iut044, 01st Apr 2009, #2
      RE: Is it legal for the same first-tier tribunal judge to make the decision to refuse permission to ..., Tony Bowman, 03rd Apr 2009, #3
           RE: Is it legal for the same first-tier tribunal judge to make the decision to refuse permission to ..., iut044, 11th May 2009, #4

past caring 2
                              

Caseworker, Mary Ward Legal Centre
Member since
17th Nov 2008

RE: Is it legal for the same first-tier tribunal judge to make the decision to refuse permission to ...
Fri 27-Mar-09 11:20 AM

Yes, it is.

My experience of appeals to the Commissioners/Upper Tribunal tells me
that obtaining or being refused permission to appeal is more or less meaningless, anyway. Being given leave makes it no more likely that you'll succeed at the further appeal and being refused is no indicator that you'll lose at Upper Tribunal. If the arguments about the first tribunal's error(s) of law have merit, you'll succeed anyway. In fact, in all but one of the appeals where I've succeeded at Commissioners/Upper Tribunal, leave to appeal was refused in the first instance.

  

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iut044
                              

Advisor, South West Lancashire Independent Community Advice
Member since
15th May 2007

RE: Is it legal for the same first-tier tribunal judge to make the decision to refuse permission to ...
Wed 01-Apr-09 02:43 PM

Thanks very much for your comprehensive and quick response.

  

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Tony Bowman
                              

Welfare Rights Advisor, Reading Community Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
25th Nov 2004

RE: Is it legal for the same first-tier tribunal judge to make the decision to refuse permission to ...
Fri 03-Apr-09 03:12 PM

I've also found it to be the case that leave is refused at the first instance in all but rare exceptions. Unsurprising really, since your asking a tribunal to agree that thier own decision is wrong!

but at least it's better than the DWP complaints procedure where you have to go through this wasteful process three times before you can get anyone with any sense to look at things.

  

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iut044
                              

Advisor, South West Lancashire Independent Community Advice
Member since
15th May 2007

RE: Is it legal for the same first-tier tribunal judge to make the decision to refuse permission to ...
Mon 11-May-09 03:03 PM

Thanks for your help Tony Bowman.

  

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