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RJ
                              

Trainee adviser, Citizens Advice Bureau, Batley
Member since
15th Jan 2007

Beneficial ownership - desperate for help
Tue 16-Jan-07 01:37 PM

This is quite long but Im desperate so please read and reply with any help.

My client placed some money in an ISA after moving house.
She then became disabled and during her stay in hospital applied for IS (with help from a hospital aid as she was on large amounts of morphine)

Four years onhe revenue matched the ISA with the income support and after recalculation it was decided an overpayment had been made (£7,000).

My client claims she beleived that when opening the ISA that it was to be put into trust for her sons (now 24) further education. Even though it was just in her name.

They claim that it was disccussed between them before placing the money in the ISA that it was to be on trust and that the three certainties to create a trust were satisfied but no instrument was used as not needed

Her position now is that she lives alone with a child of 8 and has been on DLA since her hospital visit(above).Mental state also an issue

There is no evidence of transfers between hers and her sons account as when the ISA matured it was taken out in cash and kept by her son in a safe.Other extended family knew of their wish of trust.

1.Please could you help by giving me some case law (as much as pos).

2.Is a waiver a possibility and if so is this requested at tribuneral

3.How should I aproach this evidentially.

4.Her mental state has been suspect through deppression (on much medication also).Could i use this to help the problem......e.g case law again please.

Thank you very much for any replies

  

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RE: Beneficial ownership - desperate for help, brigid c, 17th Jan 2007, #1
RE: Beneficial ownership - desperate for help, brigid c, 18th Jan 2007, #2
      RE: Beneficial ownership - desperate for help, nevip, 19th Jan 2007, #3

brigid c
                              

Tribunal Chair SE region. CAB adviser Basingstoke, SSAC member
Member since
16th Nov 2006

RE: Beneficial ownership - desperate for help
Wed 17-Jan-07 06:05 PM

You face the problem that ISAs cannot be held in trust. The special tax treatment of ISAs means that they must be beneficially owned by the person setting them up and they will have signed a declaration to that effect. If you can establish that there was an intention to create a trust there has been a failure to pay tax on it and legal advice is needed badly.

You won't find any case law. This is all questions of fact. What was intended at the time? Has she ever treated the money in a manner which is inconsistent with it being on trust? Why was it put into trust in the first place - does any issue of capital deprivation arise?

If she is not beneficially entitled to the money then it is not hers and cannot be treated as such (this is a proposition of law but one that is self-evident). There is clearly a problem with possible tax avoidance or even evasion.

If there has been an overpayment then all the Tribunal can do is decide whether or not is is recoverable in law. They cannot decide whether it will be recovered.

All you can do is try to get the Tribunal to beleive your evidence.

brigid

  

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brigid c
                              

Tribunal Chair SE region. CAB adviser Basingstoke, SSAC member
Member since
16th Nov 2006

RE: Beneficial ownership - desperate for help
Thu 18-Jan-07 03:24 PM

Sorry but I forgot something really important. If the son was adult at the date of setting up the alleged trust, why didn't she just give the money to him in the first place? Doing it via a trust is a very odd thing to so if there is no practical barrier to an immediate gift.

Brigid

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: Beneficial ownership - desperate for help
Fri 19-Jan-07 09:44 AM

Brigid

I don't know much about ISA's but if there are tax advantages then doesn't that breach the rule that a trustee cannot profit from the trust?

Regards
Paul

  

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