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Semitone
                              

welfare rights officer, Redcar & Cleveland Welfare Rights
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

What next!
Thu 02-Feb-06 10:53 AM

Our office has just received a phone call from a very livid appeal rep. I'm angry and it wasn't my appeal. She was repping a client at a recent ICB appeal before a new chair. Parting shot from the chair at the appeal end was along the lines of-

You will have seen in the media and press whats happening with Incapacity Benefit and with that in view they had to consider the public purse when they came to a decision.

So what happened to decisions based on the regs.

  

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RE: What next!, Kevin D, 01st Feb 2006, #1
RE: What next!, northwiltshire, 01st Feb 2006, #2
      RE: What next!, andy_platts, 01st Feb 2006, #3
           RE: What next!, Andrew_Fisher, 02nd Feb 2006, #4

Kevin D
                              

Freelance HB & CTB Consultant/Trainer, Hertfordshire
Member since
20th Jan 2004

RE: What next!
Wed 01-Feb-06 09:33 AM

Lovely!

I have no idea whether anything can be extracted from this, but I'll float it anyway. There is some HB case law <R v LB Brent HBRB ex p Connery (1989) 22 HLR 40> where it was found that LAs could not consider subsidy in deciding whether or not a rent was "unreasonably high". Just wondered if any arguments can be taken from that; or at least modified accordingly.

Hope it at least helps to point in the right direction.

Regards

  

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northwiltshire
                              

welfare rights officer, c.a.b. n.wiltshire
Member since
26th Jan 2004

RE: What next!
Wed 01-Feb-06 12:27 PM

Clearly a error in law The tribunalmust only work within the legal frame , and cannot consider any other factors I.E. only legislation and caselaw and how they relate to the facts of the case can be considered, the public purse is irrelevant.See R(A)1/72 which is nicely interpreted in the disability rights hand book on page257, and lodge an appeal to commissioners or request a set a side as the tribunal clearly erred in law( Putting it Mildly)and were proceedurally wrong. I usually follow both options in case set a side fails and you can fall back on commissioners, as you do not have to wait for statement of reasons to request a set a side, so it is quicker for client .
Your biggest problem may be proving the Chair made the comments and it is a shame your colleague didn't register acomplaint at the time( I am assuming she didnt andi assume the appeal was lost/dismissed).I would also lodged a complaint about the comments to the regional Chairman, whatever other action is taken on behalf of your client.

  

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andy_platts
                              

Team Leader, Players Court Welfare Rights, Nottingham City Council, Players Court, Players St
Member since
09th Aug 2005

RE: What next!
Wed 01-Feb-06 03:54 PM

Breach of natural justice in my view, apparent bias. Suggest the rep writes down very clearly exactly what the Chair said cos it won't appear in the written reasons!

I think verbal comments by Tribunal members are enough to demonstrate such a case but evidence of what they said is key. So a clear record will be required.

  

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Andrew_Fisher
                              

Welfare Rights Adviser, Stevenage Citizens Advice Bureau
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: What next!
Thu 02-Feb-06 10:47 AM

Thu 02-Feb-06 10:52 AM by ken

See http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/pdfs/CDLA_581_2004.pdf my albatross! (para near the end)

  

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