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ASH
                              

Welfare Officer, St Christopher's Hospice, South London
Member since
06th Jan 2005

WTC joint claim and continuing care
Thu 03-Jan-08 12:29 PM

My client is working and claiming wtc. His wife has just been moved to a nursing home under continuing care. Should he end his joint claim - and if so when - in the old days there was a nominal 6 weeks temp trial period.

  

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RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care , Steve Johnson, 04th Jan 2008, #1
RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care , ASH, 07th Jan 2008, #2
      RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care , Steve Johnson, 08th Jan 2008, #3
           RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care , claire hodgson, 08th Jan 2008, #4
                RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care , ASH, 10th Jan 2008, #5
                     RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care , Steve Johnson, 10th Jan 2008, #6

Steve Johnson
                              

Manager, Walthamstow CAB
Member since
24th Oct 2005

RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care
Fri 04-Jan-08 02:29 PM

As Holmes would say, 'Watson, this is a two pipe problem'.

Since they are married and are both in the UK, they should still be treated as a couple unless there is a court order separating them, or they are permanently separated. Does the latter apply? Separation in this sense need not mean physical separation (tax credits does not worry about notions of 'household'). I doubt if this kind of case was ever envisaged by HMRC. Even if wife is going into care permanently, you could make a case either way that client is single/couple, depending if they are a couple emotionally etc.

Given the risk of a stupid overpayment decision sometime in the future, I suppose client should write to the Revenue recorded delivery and state the facts, and seek advice from them. It may be that the award does not alter either way. Sadly this would be no justification to leave things as they are.

  

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ASH
                              

Welfare Officer, St Christopher's Hospice, South London
Member since
06th Jan 2005

RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care
Mon 07-Jan-08 04:23 PM

Thank you for that. I think she nominally still gets the Child Benefit and her DLA and incapacity benefit also maintains the family income but she is not likely to be home before she dies. I have been reluctant to leave decisions up to HMRC because he can do without filling in unnecessary claim forms but you are right that they should be informed to avoid overpayment issues. These could be large as current WTC includes severe disabiltity (due to her of course) and childcare.

  

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Steve Johnson
                              

Manager, Walthamstow CAB
Member since
24th Oct 2005

RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care
Tue 08-Jan-08 10:15 AM

It seems to be the case (from what you say) that they are better off being regarded as a couple. So if he is going to write to report the change, it should be in terms of a proposition that are still a couple. Purists might say that in that case, there is nothing to report (because the change has no effect), so carry on as we are, and face any overpayment hassle if and when it arises. To me, tax credits is a bit like VAT... you may be confident that your tax position is right, but good business practice suggests a VAT ruling might be useful.

Good luck

Steve

  

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claire hodgson
                              

Solicitor, Askews Solicitors, Thornaby, Stockton on Tees
Member since
17th May 2005

RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care
Tue 08-Jan-08 11:26 AM

surely her DLA should now end, then - at least the care part - and he might be better having the child benefit/child tax credit in his name not hers?

  

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ASH
                              

Welfare Officer, St Christopher's Hospice, South London
Member since
06th Jan 2005

RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care
Thu 10-Jan-08 12:35 PM

Argh - you're right. I'd forgotten about the DLA in worrying about the esoteric dealings with Tax Credits. Then it probabaly makes no odds whether it is a couples claim or not and he may as well fill in single claim now - and get the CB sorted.

Thank you

  

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Steve Johnson
                              

Manager, Walthamstow CAB
Member since
24th Oct 2005

RE: WTC joint claim and continuing care
Thu 10-Jan-08 01:19 PM

Unfortunately, the tax credit matter will be anything but esoteric if an overpayment notice turns up. Also, remember that a 'couple based' tax credits claim may yield more money, especially if the partner has no or little taxable income in the relevant income year of assessment (although I think wife gets IB, which is taxable at week 28 etc). This could suggest the need for a 'better off' calculation, especially if the single/couple issue could legitimately be argued either way. This is the sort of case that you want to make an appointment for an unsuspecting colleague to have to sort out...

  

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