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Campbell
                              

Caseworker, Perennial, Scotland
Member since
14th Feb 2005

sanctions
Wed 17-Dec-08 02:35 PM

Clients employment was terminated for misconduct, he has a tribunal date in the new year. His JSA has been sanctioned, I thought that a sanction should not be applied if there is an appeal to Industrial Tribunal, instead JC+ should await the outcome of the hearing. Am I making this up? As I cannot find anything to support this. Thank you

  

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RE: sanctions, ariadne2, 17th Dec 2008, #1
RE: sanctions, ariadne2, 17th Dec 2008, #2

ariadne2
                              

Welfare lawyer and social policy collator, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
13th Mar 2007

RE: sanctions
Wed 17-Dec-08 05:11 PM

An Employment Tribunal would be making a finding on either unfair dismissal, which is often mainly about the way in which the dismissal was handled, or wrongful dismissal, which is whether any breach of contract by the employee is so severe as to warrant instant dismissal without notice. Neither of these is necessarily on the point that is being dealt with in JSA matters. A dismissal, in certain circumstances, can be wrongful or unfair but still be for misconduct.

The decision of an Employment Tribunal, though it may be valuable evidence, does not bind on JCP decision makers or social security tribunals, because they are not using the same law and not deciding the same thing. I have never heard of, nor can I imagine, the principle to which you refer applying. It sounds like a sort of version of the principle in benefit overpayment cases, that recovery should not be made from the claimant while he is pursuing an appeal about the fact of the overpayment or its recoverability. That is certainly the case; but then the DM and the appeal are within the same legal framework.

  

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ariadne2
                              

Welfare lawyer and social policy collator, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
13th Mar 2007

RE: sanctions
Wed 17-Dec-08 05:12 PM

ps - has he appealed on the sanction decision to a social security tribunal?

  

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