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1964
                              

Deputy Manager, Reading Community Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
15th Apr 2004

Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Tue 20-Nov-07 11:56 AM

Just looked at BBC news website- Paul Gray (Chairman of HM Revnue) has resigned ahead of commons statement from Alastair Darling (due at 3.30) concerning 'major operational problems'. I wait with baited breath...

  

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RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., shawn, 20th Nov 2007, #1
RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., Paul_Treloar_, 20th Nov 2007, #2
      RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., p.e.t.e, 20th Nov 2007, #3
           RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., ariadne2, 20th Nov 2007, #4
                RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., stevegale, 20th Nov 2007, #5
                     RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., Tony Bowman, 21st Nov 2007, #6
                          RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., ariadne2, 22nd Nov 2007, #7
                               RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., mike shermer, 23rd Nov 2007, #8
                                    RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., shawn, 23rd Nov 2007, #9
                                         RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., jj, 23rd Nov 2007, #10
                                              RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., mike shermer, 23rd Nov 2007, #11
                                                   RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., jj, 26th Nov 2007, #12
                                                        RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not., chrisduran, 27th Nov 2007, #13

shawn
                              

editorial director, rightsnet
Member since
28th Jul 2005

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Tue 20-Nov-07 12:10 PM

Confidential details of 15 million child benefit recipients are on a computer disc lost by HM Revenue and Customs, the BBC understands.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7103566.stm

  

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Paul_Treloar_
                              

Director of Policy and Services, Disability Alliance, London
Member since
15th Sep 2006

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Tue 20-Nov-07 12:53 PM

That must have been one hell of a floppy disc.....

  

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p.e.t.e
                              

Manager Welfare Rights Service, Barnsley, Barnsley MBC
Member since
30th Mar 2007

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Tue 20-Nov-07 01:34 PM

15 million! This must be every family in Britain.

  

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ariadne2
                              

Welfare lawyer and social policy collator, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
13th Mar 2007

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Tue 20-Nov-07 08:59 PM

It appears to be exactly that!

  

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stevegale
                              

Co-ordinator, Disability Information Service (Torbay)
Member since
03rd Feb 2004

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Tue 20-Nov-07 09:26 PM

They went to to the same place as all those missing ballpoint pens, screwdrivers, keys and other things that you can never lay your hands on...

  

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Tony Bowman
                              

Welfare Rights Advisor, Reading Community Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
25th Nov 2004

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Wed 21-Nov-07 09:56 AM

Probably in a pile of flippantly discarded (lost!!??) IS claims and tax credit appeals - right needle in a haystack!!

  

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ariadne2
                              

Welfare lawyer and social policy collator, Basingstoke CAB
Member since
13th Mar 2007

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Thu 22-Nov-07 07:18 PM

For some reason I find a surreptitious grin appearing on my face. I think it's what they call Schadenfreude (some of them anyway) - a guilty feeling of pleasure at someone else's discomfiture. And you don't often get to write either Schadenfreude or discomfiture on an internet discussion forum.

  

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mike shermer
                              

Welfare Benefits Officer, Kings Lynn & West Norfolk Borough Council, Kings l
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Fri 23-Nov-07 11:45 AM



If you had read the Times story on the Washington CB centre yesterday, you could almost sense the surreptitious grin on the reporter's face. Plus of course you would have thought that you were definately living on another planet...thousands upon thousands of unopened letters (allegedly), staff morale at it lowest (allegedly).

The sad thing is that we've been here before - it's not that long ago the DWP had thousands of it's personnel records stolen, possibly by hackers, or just possibly by someone copying them: 15000 Standard life customers records lost in the theft of a IR laptop recently.

PS - the Mail had to point out of course that one of their photos showed a member of staff wearing a baseball cap.. where that exclusive news item fitted into the scheme of things I'm not too sure......

  

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shawn
                              

editorial director, rightsnet
Member since
28th Jul 2005

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Fri 23-Nov-07 12:21 PM

correspondence, including email exchanges, between the Revenue and the NAO ...

... http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/nao_reports/07-08/child_benefit_data.pdf

  

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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Fri 23-Nov-07 02:45 PM

nice to see HMRC and NAO so cosy and chummy...

it's appears that HMRC provided data to the NAO which the NAO didn't want ie it disclosed data unnecessarily ie in breach of DPA 1998 never mind internal procedures...this happened to include the highly sensitive information of individuals bank account details - it failed to adequately protect that data... another DPA breach...

this unnecessary data provision was made on the grounds that it would cost more for HMRC to be other than sloppy about its legal responsibilities wrt data, and the NAO were understanding and accomodating.

i would still like to know why NAO would ever require partial details of the entire data-base - surely it audits randomly selected samples?

and i have to wonder what the hell kind of contract HMRC has with EDS requiring HMRC to pay them for scans of its data...

so now the treasury have appointed Kieran Poynter, Chairman and Senior Partner of Pricewaterhouse to chair an enquiry...

Pricewaterhouse's appreciation of the public service ethos is not well documented so this is not reassuring...even if he's doing it as a freebie - even more especially unreassuring...if there's no-one left, i would rather it were Kim and Aggie, or even Kath and Kim...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PricewaterhouseCoopers



  

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mike shermer
                              

Welfare Benefits Officer, Kings Lynn & West Norfolk Borough Council, Kings l
Member since
23rd Jan 2004

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Fri 23-Nov-07 02:48 PM



...Now I would have suggested Alan Sugar - a gentleman not known to suffer fools and idiots gladly, and a past master at asking awkward questions...

  

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jj
                              

welfare rights adviser, saltley & nechells law centre birmingham
Member since
21st Jan 2004

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Mon 26-Nov-07 05:07 PM

brilliant, Mike!

i could live with that -
Alan Sugar would want to clean up.
Kim and Aggie would want a deep clean.
What we'll get is a whitewash...

it's a very narrow remit, the outcome pre-ordained, the dirty linens aired behind closed doors...

still, i don't see why we should be denied our fun...imagine our leader setting up a public service truth commission and consulting broadly for nominations...

  

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chrisduran
                              

Into-work facilitator, London Borough of Newham, Social Regeneration Unit
Member since
10th Mar 2004

RE: Trouble at t' mill? Surely not.
Tue 27-Nov-07 11:04 AM

Has everyone received their reassuring letter from HMRC?

I have and it strikes me that while they are very sorry and we get a personal apology from the acting chair, the responsibility very quickly passes on to everyone except HMRC.

For example we are reassured that the banks have all signed up to a code which means that they won't allow us to be out of pocket if we are the victims of fraud. In the mean time we may want to take action to protect ourselves like changing passwords and pin numbers.

Now I don't often feel much sympathy for the banks, and as I am a tax payer and not a bank share holder I would prefer the banks to take the loss rather than the Government, but I must say I can see why they are rather peeved about it.

  

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