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Andy P
                              

Welfare Benefits Advisor - Volunteer, Age Concern Dorchester
Member since
26th May 2005

AA application made 2001/02
Fri 11-Nov-05 03:30 PM

Client applied for AA 2001/02 (Wembley office), after having a massive disabling stroke, GP apparently completed a factual report with details of above. Claim turned down.

Have contacted Blackpool advisers line to try to get copies of forms and med evidence, was then contacted by local Bristol office? who told me there was no evidence it had been archived and they thought it had been destroyed etc. Anyone got any ideas,advice, suggestions etc etc etc please on the off chance there is a way to resurrect the above.

yours errrrrrrrrr hopefully andy

  

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Replies to this topic
RE: AA application made 2001/02, belaibel, 21st Nov 2005, #1
RE: AA application made 2001/02, stephenh, 21st Nov 2005, #2
      RE: AA application made 2001/02, Andy P, 23rd Nov 2005, #3
           RE: AA application made 2001/02, stephenh, 23rd Nov 2005, #4
                RE: AA application made 2001/02, 1964, 23rd Nov 2005, #5
                     RE: AA application made 2001/02, Andy P, 23rd Nov 2005, #6
                          RE: AA application made 2001/02, nevip, 23rd Nov 2005, #7
                               RE: AA application made 2001/02, 1964, 24th Nov 2005, #8
                                    RE: AA application made 2001/02, Andy P, 25th Nov 2005, #9

belaibel
                              

HB advisor, St. Dunstan's, London WC1
Member since
12th Jan 2005

RE: AA application made 2001/02
Mon 21-Nov-05 10:43 AM

Have you asked the GP? Doctors never throw anything away...

  

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stephenh
                              

Welfare Benefits Worker, Arrowe Park Hospital CAB, Wirral, Merseyside
Member since
18th Feb 2005

RE: AA application made 2001/02
Mon 21-Nov-05 02:22 PM

I have been told in the past by a DLA Decision Maker that medical evidence should never be destroyed. They do however, destroy claim forms and clerical details. It might be worth asking for the file to be found at their storage facility.

(You'll have a very long wait, but that's another story)

  

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Andy P
                              

Welfare Benefits Advisor - Volunteer, Age Concern Dorchester
Member since
26th May 2005

RE: AA application made 2001/02
Wed 23-Nov-05 08:44 AM

Hi Belaibel and Stephen, thanks for your response, i have not contacted the GP at this stage partly because he has apparently retired and it's not a local surgery (it's in the Milton Keynes area, having said that i'll have a word with the clients about contacting their old health centre.

As for the "medical evidence should never be destroyed and worth asking for the file to be found at their storage facility", Stephen can you do me a favour before i start contacting customer services etc and let me know any experience, advice and tips you have of going down this route etc as it definitively looks worth trying.

Lastly, i know i'm not the first welf to post on this area and i won't be the last, but have any of the more salubrious Advice Agencies/Lobbying groups got any thoughts on the general policy of the destruction of claim forms etc after such a short period of time ie campaigns.

andy

  

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stephenh
                              

Welfare Benefits Worker, Arrowe Park Hospital CAB, Wirral, Merseyside
Member since
18th Feb 2005

RE: AA application made 2001/02
Wed 23-Nov-05 08:56 AM

Request a search for the file from their storage facility, it will take about 6 months to retrieve the file. After 6 months write/phone the section dealing with your client and get them to badger the storage facility. If still no joy, then put in a complaint using the Ophelia argument.

  

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1964
                              

Deputy Manager, Reading Community Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
15th Apr 2004

RE: AA application made 2001/02
Wed 23-Nov-05 11:26 AM

Forgive me for being dim, but what's the Ophelia argument? (I'm sure I ought to know this).

  

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Andy P
                              

Welfare Benefits Advisor - Volunteer, Age Concern Dorchester
Member since
26th May 2005

RE: AA application made 2001/02
Wed 23-Nov-05 03:37 PM

Thanks Stephen, i'll give it a go. Oh on the subject of dimness errrr what's the Ophelia argument?

andy

  

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nevip
                              

welfare rights adviser, sefton metropolitan borough council, liverpool.
Member since
22nd Jan 2004

RE: AA application made 2001/02
Wed 23-Nov-05 04:24 PM

The Ophelia argument (actually, widely misunderstood) is where there has been a destruction/spoliation of documents and the argument runs that the destroyed documents contains information which undermines the destroyer's case (if I can put it that way) and that is why the documents were destroyed.

Such arguments are rare nowadays and very unlikely to succeed

See the commentary to section 71 of the Admin Act for a ggod discussion of the issues.

  

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1964
                              

Deputy Manager, Reading Community Welfare Rights Unit
Member since
15th Apr 2004

RE: AA application made 2001/02
Thu 24-Nov-05 11:25 AM

Thanks for that. I'll go look it up.

  

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Andy P
                              

Welfare Benefits Advisor - Volunteer, Age Concern Dorchester
Member since
26th May 2005

RE: AA application made 2001/02
Fri 25-Nov-05 09:02 AM

so will i.

  

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